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SAR 08-09-2025 Race 12 Run at the Wrong Distance
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jeff 8/10/2025 9:43:51 AM | I posted about this on Paceadvantage yesterday about 90 minutes after Race Off when the PDF Chart for R12 hadn't gone up on the Equibase site.
Someone at the track must have realized the gate was in the wrong place shortly after Race Off (interesting set of surrounding circumstances right now as I type this.)
Track Video shows Race Off within a second of 6:52:59 pm Eastern.
At 7:16 pm Eastern someone at the track persisted an entry to the Scratches and Changes XML recording a change in race distance from 9f to 8.5f.
About two minutes later (7:18 pm Eastern) a second entry was persisted to the the Scratches and Changes XML changing race distance back to 9f.
Looking at R12 chart data transmitted by Equibase yesterday, I noted the following:
Race Distance is still: 9f
Final and Fractional Times: Missing (as they should be.)
Odds and Parimutuel Payoffs: Missing
Of course none of this is going to help me cash the Win tickets I had on Charles J who needed more ground to collar the winner.  
Update Sunday Morning 08-10-2025 at about 7:30 am Pacific time:
Looking at the Chart Data as it currently exists:
Race Distance is correct: 8.5f
Odds and Parimutuel Payoffs: Now Present
Final and Fractional Times: Still Missing
Because of the missing Final and Fractional Times:
I've decided to prevent SAR 08-09-2025 R12 from making it into my database by deleting the SAR0809.XRD File.
I suggest you do the same.
I'll come back to this thread and post an update after a Chart Correction comes through adding Final and Fractional Times to this race.
-jp .
| jeff 8/12/2025 1:04:20 PM | The Chart Data for SAR 08-09-2025 has now been corrected.
Missing Final and Fractional Times were added to R12 and a corrected Chart File (timestamp 20250811 15:04:07 Eastern) was uploaded to the HDW download server last night.
If you haven't already done so:
Go ahead and process the file.
-jp .
| jeff 8/14/2025 1:14:19 PM | A lot of thoughtful responses posted and good points made in the thread about this starting with post #527 on page 36 at Paceadvantage: http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=177809&page=36
I've had a few days to give this some thought and wanted to post my perspective as a bettor.
Obviously somebody or several somebodies effed-up. That's human nature. None of us are perfect. Myself included. (I'll get to that towards the bottom of this post.)
I was harmed by this as much as anybody who bet this race can be harmed. (At least from a pct of bankroll perspective.)
My key horse was Charles J, and I'm convinced (95% likelihood) he wins given another 30 to 40 yards of distance.
My take on betting is similar to Mountainman's perspective as a racing official.
Betting on races is a minefield.
There are a thousand little things that can go wrong once a horse steps onto a track. Every single one of them just waiting in the wings to rear its ugly head and prevent you from cashing and send your horse back to the paddock (or worse) without stepping into the winner's circle.
In order to win, any horse you back must somehow overcome those thousand little things.
You might not know this but Charles J lunged at the gate just before the start.
Had he done so with more force and nudged the stall doors open a half inch and had the starter sent them on their way just then he would have been disqualified (a thousand little things.)
You also might not know this but I've spent a ridiculous amount of time categorizing and analyzing the data for every possible course configuration (track-surf-dist-turns) for the tracks where I play.
I KNOW where the starting gate is supposed to be for every single one of the distances run on Saratoga's three courses, as well as where the horses are supposed to form a line for those distances where a starting gate isn't used.
If anybody should have noticed before the race that somebody should have been me.
And yet somehow I missed it when it counted.
Of course this has led to a bit of self reflection:
I missed it because it never occurred to me correct gate placement is something I needed to check.
How best to handle this going forward?
For me, the correct thing to do is learn from this, turn the page, and move on.
It will probably never happen again in my lifetime.
But from now on, every time I'm about to bet money on a race, and horses are approaching a starting gate:
Before I hit that submit button, as part of my mental checklist, I'm going to verify the gate is in fact in the correct place.
-jp .
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