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1Feb 21, 2012 5:39 PMThis is why horse racing as we once knew it is almost dead!
2Feb 21, 2012 5:33 PMthose that played the race should band together to file a class action suit seeking to force Aguirre to pay the total amount wagered on the race plus punitive damages, all to be split among the plaintiffs, who should donate it to racehorse retirement or disabled jockeys funds. I don't play Cal racing, and I certainly won't start now.
3Feb 21, 2012 5:22 PMA $80.00 win bet would cover the fine. I'm sure they made alot more than that. It's a joke. Jeff Mullins was right, "people who bet on horses are suckers". Trainers who are cheating get away with a slap on the wrist, when caught. I've been playing for over 25 years, 3 or 4 times a week and I feel like a sucker when I read stories like this. They re-distibute the purse money to owners and the horseplayer eats his tickets. Those tickets don't taste to good and are getting harder to chew.
4Feb 21, 2012 5:21 PMIts the CHRB, don't expect much, Santa Anita just called a dead heat that wasnt one and CHRB won't do anything about it.
5Feb 21, 2012 5:18 PMActually, I believe the Racing Office including Martin Panza should take some responsibility here. How does the racing office allow trainers to change the paperwork of horses who are ineligible to run?? I believe the racing office admin and racing secretary should be held accountable and fined and suspended as well.
6Feb 21, 2012 5:16 PM"it never gets weird enough for me."-H.S.Thompson
7Feb 21, 2012 5:14 PMTurf Paradise has an odd mdn condition, it's a MDN OPTIONAL $30k, so some horses are in for the $30k and some are not, this horse won and was NOT in for a tag, well the racing office some how saw the condition as MOC30, (Maiden Opt. Claiming $30k) and misread the condition as a mdn $30k, thus he ran, Paul went into the racing office the NEXT day and wrote $30,000 somewhere as if the horse had been in for the tag. I know Paul well and have NO idea why he did it, it would have been easier to say that he misread it as well thus he and the racing office are BOTH liable, but he didn't. In my opinion, what he did was FRAUD period, no extenuating circumstances because it was AFTER the race to cover up a mistake. Did he enter knowing and hoping it didn't get caught, maybe, I don't know, but the wrist slap is another example of how the CHRB has no balls
8Feb 21, 2012 4:34 PMWhere do you start? The CHRB is as enept as they have ever been. No common sense used with drug rulings or anything else. Everybody deserves a second, third chance. People make bad judgement errors but when they do, they still need to be fined and dealt with so that it won't happen again. An example also needs to be set for others to follow.
9Feb 21, 2012 4:32 PMThis game I love, MUST get it's act together and clean up the slime within. There must be integrity and fair play ALWAYS.
10Feb 21, 2012 4:25 PMI'm sure his lawyers got involved and he got the penalty cut back just to get it done with and stop with the judges. Don't know if he should be criminally prosecuted, but he should be banished.
11Feb 21, 2012 4:13 PMJust another problem in a mountain of problems in this sport & I'm not sure racing will ever get to where it needs to go. It's sad and pathetic...
12Feb 21, 2012 4:04 PMWhy the track didnt know the horse was not eligible is beyond me. The horse's entire racing record is available. In fact, I am shocked they dont check that as a matter of course.
13Feb 21, 2012 3:49 PMThis is worse then anything Rick Dutrow did.
14Feb 21, 2012 3:37 PMThe CHRB cannot take anyone to task for rules & regulations because of their own skeletons in their closet. i.e. pick six carryovers, and more
15Feb 21, 2012 2:56 PMNo is protecting the players. Somebody made a lot of money at 27:1 and it's much, much more that 2k.The trainer cleaned up, the owner cleaned up and maybe the CHRB. It sounds an awlful lot like insider trading!
16Feb 21, 2012 2:54 PMAt the bare minimum, the fine should be commensurate with the size of the parimutuel pools that were defrauded.
17Feb 21, 2012 2:39 PMThe owner and trainer should forfeit the purse money and any money they won betting on the horse, if that can be determined.,
18Feb 21, 2012 1:32 PMI have always held, and promoted, the notion that the need for integrity when "investing" through parimutuel wagering is equal in importance to the need for integrity when investing on Wall Street. The past performances are equivalent to a prospectus. The "action" of the CHRB is another in the ongoing series of insults to bettors. That said, when government fails to jail participants in the sub-prime mortgage disaster, what are we horse players to expect from agencies that regulate parimutuel wagering? Tom Amello, Trackfacts, member of National Turf Writers and Broadcasters
19Feb 21, 2012 1:22 PMThis act by Mr.Paul Aguirre should be treated as a Felony.
20Feb 21, 2012 1:17 PMDoes anybody know how if the trainer wagered on the race?
21Feb 21, 2012 12:43 PMCHRB has proven time and time again they don't care about the horse wagerer.
22Feb 21, 2012 12:16 PMplain and simple this is fraud
23Feb 21, 2012 12:03 PMAs a bettor, I want the CHRB actively performing the "protecting the interests of the wagering public" part of its mission statement. I don't want them continually slapping those caught breaking the rules on the wrist!
24Feb 21, 2012 11:34 AMIf the guy had done this on wall street he'd be fired (and maybe prosecuted for fraud.) 2 thou and 5 days? Are you f'ing kidding me?
25Feb 21, 2012 9:01 AMI think you should also ask questions about a) the race office at Hollywood and b) what the state racing board was up to when they are expected to police these races. Altered papers? This is the Internet era. How can NO ONE, not one person in either the race office or stewards' office not catch onto the fact that this horse wasn't eligible? It should appear in the past performances via database that the horse didn't fit the conditions. The stewards and race office are responsible for checking over race records to make sure that horses fit the conditions. After the entries are processed, the past performances are printed out and each horse needs to be spot-checked for trainer/jockey, medication, equipment, etc. The connections of the horse should be punished severely, but it should go beyond that.
26Feb 20, 2012 9:16 PMThoroughbred racing has lost all of it's integrity, they slap trainers on the wrist for medication infractions, let a trainer who the suspended a lengthy period of time continue to train and win stake races. John Veitch get fired from his post but John Velasquez who was more to blame that anyone for the Life At Ten incident gets sanctioned, the list goes on and on.
27Feb 20, 2012 7:54 PMThis is only one that got caught. How many others are pulling shenanigans and where is the deterrent? A week off and 2k seems very light. If this was wall street he would be facing criminal charges.
28Feb 20, 2012 6:35 PMI'm surprised to learn apparently all it took to "pull one over" on the racing secretary's office is an eraser and a pencil. No reason a computer data base is not used to control conditions and eligibilies.
29Feb 20, 2012 6:13 PMNo excuse for such actions.
30Feb 20, 2012 6:07 PMJust another nail in the already nail-filled coffin of racing. How anyone can possibly take this "sport" seriously is beyond me.
31Feb 20, 2012 4:57 PMActions of the CHRB indicate they did not want to offend the guilty party. This is why many think there is an integrity issue in the racing industry.
32Feb 20, 2012 4:38 PMA trainer who changes any paperwork to make a horse eligible for a race and the horse wins should be responsible for the amount of monies lost by those who wagered on the race not knowing that the horse was ineligible.
33Feb 20, 2012 3:48 PMI answered these questions to the best of my ability with the available responses, though my actual response may have been quite different without the constraint of a few options to specific questions. I don't know Aguirre well, but I just can't imagine an even somewhat intelligent human believing that altering the papers would be enough to avoid disqualification. There are entry cards, programs, racing forms, etc. from the date in question at Turf Paradise, all of which would clearly contradict the papers, and I do not believe for a moment that the altered papers would ever have trumped the evidence to the contrary. With that in mind, the decision of the CHRB to release only the information that they have released, leaving many of the details to speculation, only harms them. If the man's intent was NOT to avoid disqualification, but only to attempt to absolve the Hollywood office of wrongdoing, for instance, I can understand a lesser punishment than if his intent was in fact to avoid disqualification. Perhaps I am giving Mr. Aguirre's intelligence too much credit and either or any way, the punishment is prepostorously light for the act that is described, in my opinion. With a bit more insight into Aguirre's intent, I would feel a bit more comfortable forming my own conclusion as to the actual degree to which he truly deserved to be punished.
34Feb 20, 2012 3:19 PMAre you kidding me... 2 grand and 5 days for what amounts to criminal fraud?
35Feb 20, 2012 3:13 PMThe lack of integrity in this industry is the main reason that the fan base is disappearing across the nation. It's not drugs, high takeout, high breakage, racing 2YO, or a lack of full, competitive fields, although each one of these has cost this sport many fans. You can't beat the cheaters, and I quit trying.
36Feb 20, 2012 3:09 PMThis guy STOLE the purse money from the other owners who had horses in that race. He should be tried for that and a stiff prison term is in order. Obviously, he should never be allowed to set foot on any race track.
37Feb 20, 2012 11:15 AMHow is this not criminal fraud?