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jeff
11/11/2017
10:39:49 AM
DRF.com|11/10/2017 2:56PM|By Peter Thomas Fornatale|
BCBC rule change paved way for winning strategy:
http://www.drf.com/news/bcbc-rule-change-paved-way-winning-strategy


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"The new rules allowed players such as Gabbay and Hellmers and approximately 10 others to sit on their bankrolls on Day 1 for an insignificant penalty of 1,000 points per race to be deducted from their final score. On Day 2, players missing minimums were deducted just 2,000 points per race from their final scores. Many tournament players assumed that the money also was deducted from their active bankrolls, but it was not. As the current rule is written, to not play on Day 1 is an advantage (note that second-place finisher Ron Ferrise also didnít wager on Day 1). And with so few in the field understanding the new rule, the advantage was outsized.

Breeders' Cup officials did not return calls Friday seeking comment on how the rule changes impacted the tournament."
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-jp

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jeff
12/9/2017
11:54:36 AM
12/08/2017 4:30PM|By Matt Hegarty
Two players disqualified for collusion in BCBC:
http://www.drf.com/news/two-players-disqualified-collusion-bcbc


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"Breeders' Cup has disqualified the entries of two of the participants in the live-money handicapping tournament the organization held in conjunction with its two-day event in November, including that of the ninth-place finisher, according to a statement released by Breeders' Cup on Friday."
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"In addition, Breedersí Cup said it has formed a wagering committee made up of members of its organization and four horseplayers, including one who signed the formal complaint. The committee is expected to ďreview the operation of the Breedersí Cup Betting Challenge as well as the rules governing play."
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TPW
12/10/2017
6:34:48 AM
Iím largely opposed to multi entries. I realize the argument for it is the fact that we just canít fill tourneys with single entries the way we can with this model. I also understand that if a player is willing to double or triple their investment, why shouldnít they be able to do so to capitalize on various game play strategies.

It is very difficult to find the fairest way to run a tourney, mythical/live, caps, penalties for not hitting a minimum.

In the end, I doubt there is a singular solution. What I am pleased about is the BCBC investigating and penalizing this behaviour and attempting to improve the player experience and equitable outcomes in the future.

Terry

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bcourtney
12/26/2017
5:02:36 AM
I was thinking about this recently, I believe a possible solution would be that if you purchase multiple entries AND you choose more than a single horse for any given race, the ticket in which the horse is assigned to is entirely random.

For example if I had 2 tickets and I select runner A for that race the horse would appear on both entries.

If I have 2 tickets and I select runner A and B then the assignment to the tickets to collect the points would happen after the execution of the races.

This would reward standing on a single horse for a race and still allow others that want to invest more a way to facilitate more selections without being able to assign them to any given ticket..

Hmm..

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Charli125
1/1/2018
3:21:55 PM
As one of the original signatures on the letter that brought this up, I have a few comments.

Multiple Entries for a Single Individual: I don't have a problem with this and I don't have a problem in a cash tournament with someone dutching multiple entries to essentially combine them into one entry. It's not something I've done, but I don't have an issue with it.

Multiple Entries for Multiple Individuals: I do have a problem when multiple individuals play tickets together. That's exactly what Ball and Moomey did and it was blatant.

Mythical Contests: I don't think it's as big of an issue in these because you can't win a mythical contest in one race. Take the NHC for example. If I get 5 partners, each with 2 entries, and we dutch a race, each taking a different horse. We're going to end up with 8 at 0, 1 tied for 1st, and 1 with the place amount. It's just not much of an advantage unless you can get to the late stages and then you coordinate play. Final table at the NHC, it would be an advantage.

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Ishmael
1/17/2018
7:10:34 AM
The teaming/collusion has always troubled me. Been obvious for some quite time who is working together is just not right. Dont even like individual multiple entries. I know why they are allowed but out of principle will never play two entries. Shameful really what people will do when money involved.

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Ishmael
1/17/2018
7:11:29 AM
Just as an aside on my big contest win (40k) guess who ran 2 and 3? Yep Moomey and Ball.

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